The Official Supernatural: “Moriah” (14.20 – Season Finale) Live Recap Thread

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My collected recaps and reviews of season one, which first appeared on Innsmouth Free Press, are now up (with a few extras) on Kindle. The Kindle version is available through Amazon. The print version is also up. If you buy the print version, you get a Kindle copy thrown in for free. I also get paid if you get it on Kindle Unlimited (for free), read the Kindle version, or lend it to a friend via the Kindle Owners Lending Library. Reviews also help with sales. Just FYI.

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Longish recap to “Carry On Wayward Son” that teases us with a bit of Dean!Michael before boring the crap out of us with how terrible the entire Jack storyline was.

Cut to Now and that cliffhanger some optimistic fans were all abuzz about last week, with Jack busting out of the Ma’lak Box. Yeah, about that. Jack whines that TFW lied to him, tosses them into some bookshelves (I really hate that he trashed their archive, but at least the library upstairs is intact), and … anticlimactically flies off.

Yeah. I know. That’s what you waited a week for. Sorry.

In the aftermath of getting themselves up and dusting themselves off, and handwaving why Jack was able to bust out of the unbustable box (I doubt we’ll get anything more satisfying than that), Dean recovers first. He says they need to find Jack fast before he hurts anyone (else) and gank him. As far as locating Jack, Sam says that praying’s out now, for obvious reasons (I dunno, Sam. Jack’s pretty gullible. He might actually fall for that one twice).

Castiel gets pissy and tries to pick a fight with Dean (the world is not Twitter, Cas), but Dean shuts him down cold. Dean gives Castiel some much-needed home truths about how he always thought raising Jack was too dangerous, but no one listened to him. How Castiel knew Jack had broke bad, but he chose to stay quiet because he wanted the fantasy of a happy family so badly. After the past two weeks, Dean doesn’t have to add, “And now Mom’s dead.”

Furious, but unable to come up with a blistering retort (I’m sure he’ll think of one a week from now), Castiel shoves past Dean and stalks out the door.

Sam is upset, but Dean points out to him that as much as they cared about Jack, he’s a monster now and he’s hurting people. They have to stop him. Yeah, Sam. Starting thinking like a Hero again, for once. Save some people. Hunt some things.

Where’s Jack? He’s in a crowded public place. People are sitting around having inane conversations, in which he detects (or thinks he does, anyway) a lot of lies. He gets the “brilliant’ idea of making everyone tell the truth. Because that’s bound to end well.

Meanwhile, Sam is following up (by phone) on Dean’s idea of recruiting Rowena for a locator spell. She thinks it’s “dangerous,” but she’s in.

Dressed as FBI agents, the Brothers enter a tech company for facial software. This somehow leads to Sam responding to Dean’s usual grumping about “nerds” that Dean is the biggest nerd of all and he even watches Jeopardy every night. Which, okay, cute, I guess, but it seems very out of place.

Dean then introduces himself to the receptionist and says he’s looking for “the Devil’s son.” So, I guess that anti-lying mojo is working on Dean now.

Dean scampers off to Sam, who is being puzzled by two coworkers admitting to each other that one is sleeping with the other one’s wife and the other one doesn’t care. Dean asks Sam who his favorite singer is (Sam always says Elvis, but Dean knows that’s a lie) and Sam is shocked when he’s forced to admit it.

At that moment, all Hell breaks loose in the office as various people start admitting their biggest grievances to each other. I kinda like the lady who’s going around, stealing staplers and gloating, “I’m the Stapler Queen!”

The Brothers quickly step into a conference room, where a TV announcer on the wall is reporting on Trump having just made a full and public confession about his tax records and connections to Russia. Also, seems he made a deal with Crowley. Oh, and her co-anchor confesses his love or her. Seems the spell in question is universal.

Now that he’s been forced to confess that his favorite singer is Celine Dion, Sam’s fully on board with tracking Jack down before he does any more damage.

Meanwhile, Castiel is in an alley, trying to talk to a demon about going to Hell and studying the Cage. The demon refuses, but a voice behind Castiel changes and ups the entire game. When he turns around, he sees Chuck. Chuck allows that TFW might just be boned.

Chuck says he came because of Castiel’s prayer (in the warehouse, when he found Joshua’s new version of the Amulet). And because Jack has become “a problem.” Because of course he did. [eyeroll]

Meanwhile, Jack is knocking on his grandmother’s door and barges his way in. He doesn’t notice the signals that she doesn’t want him around. He says he wants to talk more about Kelly. Well, he gets a lot more than he bargained for when his grandmother reveals she knows he lied to her before (karma sucks, doesn’t it, Jack?). She screams at him, demanding to know what he did to her daughter and is Kelly dead?

Jack, still having no learning curve, gets mad. His eyes glow yellow and he shouts, “STOP!” Because of course he does. Why would he accept any consequences for his own actions? He’s miserably failed at that so far.

Back at the tech office, Dean is discovering that the internet has gone awfully quiet, save for those folks admitting their lives aren’t nearly as neat as they claimed. Sam is using face recognition software to locate Jack. Out in the office, mayhem continues as Castiel and Chuck show up.

Chuck goes into a little rant about how people need to lie. “It keeps the peace.” He says he’s a writer and writers lie, so he should know. In case that sounds vaguely familiar, that’s this episode’s writer, Andrew Dabb, riffing on the late, great Ursula K. LeGuin (“a novelist’s business is lying“) and sucking hard at it.

Chuck and Castiel come in to a shocked Dean and Sam. Ignoring Dean’s questions at first, Chuck sits down with a guitar for a song. Dean, channeling half the audience (at least), grabs the guitar and smashes it, Pete Townshend-style, on the floor. When Dean gets in Chuck’s face, Chuck gets mad, but it doesn’t let him off the hook. In fact, it unites Sam and Castiel remarkably quickly at Dean’s back, especially once Chuck snaps them back to the Bunker.

Chuck starts burbling on about being a deus ex machina, but it falls on stony ground. Sam says he’s with Dean – he wants answers. And Castiel just looks pissed off. Yes, he looks like that a lot this episode.

Chuck is “charmingly” vague about questions where he’s been. When Dean asks him about Amara, he claims she was with him, at least most of the way, and is currently in Reno. No one believes him. Finally pinned down (or so it appears) on the question of why he’s here now, he says he only shows up for actual apocalypses, not ordinary stuff (like the Leviathans, or the “weak” LoL) and Jack is an apocalypse. For proof, Chuck waves a hand and we hear a lot of paranoid radio chatter from around the world.

By the way, we just saw Jack exit his grandmother’s house in a hurry, leaving the door wide open and Grandma nowhere to be seen.

Castiel asks if Chuck can fix it. Chuck says sure. He snaps his fingers and says, “Fixed … like it never happened.” Dean tests it by saying “Celine Dion rocks” and then assures everyone that yep, they can lie again. Back in the tech office, all is normal again, and a guy is ranting about someone stealing his yogurt while another guy is sitting at his own desk, eating said yogurt.

Chuck then fangirls Jack and his powers a bit (because of course he does). He then says Jack has to go, but Chuck can’t do it (for reasons), though the Brothers can. And he has just the thing. A silvery, rather creepy-looking pistol appears on the map table.

Chuck says the gun will kill anything. He says he’s thinking of calling it “The Equalizer” or “The Hammurabi.” The stony silence from the other side of the room deepens. Dean picks the gun up as Sam asks why Chuck didn’t bring it to them before. He says he just invented it, that’s why. Sam asks how do they know it will work? Chuck says of course it will work. He made it.

Dean says there are no bullets. Chuck technobabbles about “balance” in the universe and quantum bubbles and stuff. Sam (who is just so very done at this point with Chuck, after fangirling him for near a decade and a half) tells him to “get to the point.” Chuck says that whatever happens to the person/being you shoot, also happens to you. And since he can’t die without the entire Multiverse dying, he can’t use it on Jack.

Castiel asks why Chuck can’t just give Jack his soul back. Chuck claims it’s complicated, that souls are complicated. Castiel says, well, maybe they can just put Jack in the Cage until they find another solution (because I’m sure that would work as well as the Ma’lak Box).

Dean cuts him off by saying there’s no other way, while holding the gun. Castiel snarls that Billie said that Dean had to go in the Ma’lak Box, too, and look how that turned out. You know, I get that Dabb thinks he’s acknowledging that loose end here, but that somehow makes it worse that he knew perfectly well he was dropping that plot and chose to give us this load of horseshit, instead.

Also, we’re halfway through and so far, almost nothing has happened except a whole lot of infodump.

Chuck starts muttering angrily about how the previous Death was much more hands-off and Billie is too active for his tastes. That makes me just a little bit suspicious because why would he care?

Anyhoo, Dean tells Castiel to suck it up and deal or “walk away.” Castiel walks away. Meanwhile, Jack is walking down the street, remembering that he probably killed his grandmother.

In the next scene, Sam comes in on Dean drinking. Dean has already decided he will be the one to pull the trigger and die, along with Jack. Sam starts to whine that Jack is still saveable, that he did all those things because he didn’t have a soul. But Sam doesn’t seem to get that Jack can’t get that soul back, so that’s irrelevant. Really, how many people – how many women who are mothers to him – does Jack have to murder before Sam admits that maybe Jack needs to face some fucking consequences for once?

I mean, I really hate Sam in this scene. He is so casually misogynistic, so casually dismissive even of the death of his own mother, just so long as he can play Daddy to Jack. And on top of that, he’s busy guilt-tripping Dean about killing himself to kill Jack, because he’s “already lost too much.” Wow. Sam is breathtakingly selfish, isn’t he?

Anyhoo, Castiel has driven to some cemetery, where Jack flies in behind him. Castiel turns and hugs him. I am so very over Jack. Can’t he just go away forever now?

Back at the Bunker, Sam comes out into the Library to find Chuck playing with the archangel blade. Chuck asks Sam where he got it (as if Chuck wouldn’t know) and Sam just says, “Another world.” Sam asks Chuck about the other realities. Chuck says he’s “lost count … one’s in reverse. One’s in all-yellow. And one is just all squirrels.” So, all Deans, then?

Sam brings up that alt-Michael claimed Chuck made and discarded these worlds like “failed drafts.” Chuck claims that this Sam and Dean are the “most interesting” of all the Sams and Deans in the Multiverse.

Back to the cemetery, Jack is telling Castiel about his visit to his grandmother. He says she told him he killed Kelly, which he did. He says that used to bother him, but he doesn’t feel anything, anymore (except that both the script and the acting Show him feeling all sorts of things). We get the rest of the flashback, in which she saw his glowing eyes and exclaimed, “What are you?!” In the flashback, Jack has a moment of clarity and “runs away,” instead of hurting her. Castiel is all proud of him, because I guess the many other people Jack’s killed don’t matter.

In the Library, Sam asks if Chuck is watching them all the time and Chuck gets all creepy-nostalgic and says, “Yeah.” With a smile. Like his smile when Castiel stormed out. I don’t like that smile. Chuck says, “You’re my favorite show.”

Sam says that if he had Chuck’s power, he’d … well, what, Sam? Your track record with superpowers blows chunks, dude. Chuck says he can’t intervene. Only Sam and Dean can: “You’re my guys.”

Then he says something really humiliating for Sam, even as Sam guesses (but is it accurate?) that Chuck is afraid of Jack and knows where Jack is – he points out that Dean has already left to go kill Jack.

At the cemetery, Jack is still claiming that killing Mary was an accident. He claims to try to “do the right thing,” except for being “led astray” by Duma. He admits that whenever he tries to do things right, he screws up.

Castiel, like the kind of indulgent parent who needs a good talking-to from Supernanny, keeps saying that if only they could go away somewhere and “fix this.” This show has done such an excellent job of ruining Castiel this season, all in favor of blowing sunshine up Jack’s ass.

When Dean shows up with the gun, though, Jack tosses Castiel across the cemetery and kneels down so Dean can shoot him.

Castiel gets up and starts yelling at Dean, even as Sam is running through the cemetery, yelling at Dean (there doesn’t see to be any concern from either of them for Dean, just Jack), and Jack says, “I understand.”

Jack admits that he’s a “monster,” even as Chuck shows up and Sam realizes that Chuck is “enjoying this.”

But Dean hesitates and then, he tosses the gun aside.

At that moment, Chuck gets mad. It’s not how “the story” is supposed to go. This is a case of Abraham and Isaac, “of a father killing his son … it’s epic!” At that moment, Sam voices all of his growing misgivings throughout the episode about Chuck – “He’s been playing us, all our lives.”

Chuck: Dean, no offense, but your brother is stupid and crazy.

Castiel is pretty pissed (yes, I know, but he actually gets angrier in this scene), but it’s Dean who gets a really ugly look as he realizes he was being set up for assassination. That’s probably the most interesting part of the episode – that Chuck wanted Dean to die, but couldn’t – or wouldn’t – do it himself.

As he’s losing control over the situation, Chuck tries to bully-entice Dean into picking up the gun and shooting Jack by offering to bring Mary back and claiming that “the kid is still dangerous.”

Dean, realizing he’s been played, steps back from his greatest temptation, saying “No. My mom was my Hero. And I miss her. And I will miss her every second of my life. But she would not want this. And it’s not like you even really care.”

Dean gets a good rant going (why not? Everyone else got one this episode) about how Chuck has always known what was going on even back to the first apocalypse. He could always change it, but chose not to. Sam backs Dean up, though he does kinda step on Dean’s groove a bit.

But what happens next is interesting because Chuck basically ignores Sam and tries to shmooze Dean. It’s only when Dean tells him to go the Hell that Chuck decides he’s done. He snaps his fingers. And guess what? He’s totally capable of smiting Jack by remote. Easy as pie.

Dean tries to stop him, but gets knocked through a tombstone. Sam picks up the gun and shoots Chuck (the Dramatic Reenactment we get after commercial is embarrassingly cheesy), but it just bounces off Chuck and hits Sam in the shoulder like a real bullet.

Chuck: Fine. That the way you want it? Story’s over. Welcome to the end.

And Dean finds himself in the dark in the graveyard. It’s suddenly night. Sam and Castiel are still there. Sam’s still been shot, though he’s okay. Jack is dead, his eyes burned out of his head.

Dean says, confused, that Chuck said only the gun could kill Jack. “He’s a writer,” Castiel says, kneeling by Jack. “Writers lie.” Watch out for those anvils, kids. They’re heavy this week.

But alas, we’re not done with Jack Sue. To the tune of Motörhead’s “God Was Never on Your Side,” Jack wakes up in the Empty to meet the Empty Entity itself (which makes a benediction over him and chuckles) and Billie flying in for a chat. Because of course they do. [eyeroll]

Back on earth, the Brothers and Castiel witness souls blasting out of of glowing rifts in the ground. Castiel infodumps that they are souls from Hell. Shouldn’t they be demons, then? But instead, we have the Woman in White (from the Pilot) accosting a motorist, John Wayne Gacy’s ghost showing up at the door to a kid’s party (even though his thing was young gay boys), and Bloody Mary (also from season one) appearing in a mirror in the room of two young girls. Which, again, is nice and all, but the WiW and Mary really ought to be demons by now. Really.

Also, in the midst of exploding tombstones, zombies appear to menace the Brothers and Castiel. It’s all epically stupid as Castiel pulls out his angel blade and Dean grabs some iron from a rusty gate, handing some to Sam. All to Classic Rock we apparently couldn’t afford most of the season. The zombies converge on the three of them.


Ratings for this week were pretty bad and didn’t experience the usual season finale bounce, with a 0.3/2 and 1.30 million. Even so, the show still far outstripped most of the other shows on the CW, which can’t even muster 1 million at this point.

No preview for next week, obviously, since that won’t be until October.


Well, this was quite terrible, wasn’t it? Not to mention dull. There was a great deal of talking and very little action. One character (Rowena) was mentioned for a bit and then dropped. Another character who had been prominent the past few episodes (Fauxifer), and who should have been around, was simply forgotten. You may have noticed that almost everything (except for the office set) occurred in the Bunker or that graveyard. I guess Classic Rock and some zombie makeup’s too expensive to justify the cost of any decent fight choreography, or, hell, anything happening beyond a whole lot of infodumpy dialogue. Don’t bother to get excited about the biblical implications of the title, since they were spelled for all of a hot minute.

On Twitter, I compared it to a mess of moldy spaghetti tossed at the wall. They actually started the season with a good premise (Dean possessed by alt-Michael), but then floundered because they basically didn’t know what to do with it. I can pretty much guarantee you that if they flubbed the Michael storyline, the same writers will flub the EVOL!Chuck storyline because the problem will remain the same – the Big Bad is too Big and too Bad for Our Heroes to vanquish. It was actually easier with Michael because they had Dean and Dean was fighting from within, but nope. They went the very stupid Soulless!Jack route, instead.

Also, those who have been crowing about getting to see the same old MOTWs the Brothers had previously vanquished, again, think very hard about how well it’s gone of late with this current writing crew and old, iconic characters – very old and very iconic characters – that they brought back. For example, those who were looking forward to seeing Chuck again, just how happy are you today?

This show needs new showrunners and new writers, stat, but it’s probably not going to get any at this point in the game. And that’s too bad. The show deserved a better final season than it’s probably going to get. I really hope I’m wrong, but … well … it’s not as though this season finale was good. It also actually managed to make “Swan Song” look even worse. Didn’t think that was possible, but there you go.

But before we get into why, let me just put forward this spec. Let’s say that those of you who are thinking Chuck wasn’t really Chuck this episode (as opposed to written completely out of character, though both things can be simultaneously true) are correct. Who is this Chuck, then? Could it be he’s the Empty Entity? His characterization is more appropriate for that character, last we saw it, don’t you think?

But, you may ask, who was the being (beside Death) who greeted Jack in the Empty? Some have speculated that it was Gabriel, but I have another idea. What if it was Chuck?

This would explain a lot of things and might even make Jack less of a Gary Stu (since he’d be the first of TFW, such as he is, to arrive in the Empty, so Chuck and Billie are just taking what they can get). It would explain why “Chuck” was so much more nihilistic than before. Mind you, I think he always had that potential, and that’s why I hated the idea of his being God in the first place, but his demeanor and attitude toward the Brothers has either changed or he’s just being more honest. Or he’s not Chuck.

It explains why he would play mind games and try to get TFW to kill Jack when he could have done it at any time (you could argue that he killed Jack because Jack was the biggest threat to him, but if Jack were any kind of threat, Chuck wouldn’t have been able to smite him like that). It explains why he had a beef with Jack in the first place. There’s never been any indication Chuck gave a rat’s ass one way or the other about Jack, seeing as how he did nothing about his birth, the alternate universes, or any of that.

The Empty Entity, on the other hand, wanted Jack in the Empty just a few episodes ago. It explains why he was so moody (Chuck was a lot of things, previously, but moody was never one of them). It explains why he was so not-so-secretly sadistic (which we know the Empty Entity is). It even explains the nature of the new gun, the rant about “balance” (since when did Chuck care about that?), the strange absence of Amara, the changing Jack’s spell of compulsive honesty back to quotidian lying, and the sudden rage toward Billie and her “meddling.”

What it doesn’t explain is why Chuck (or “Chuck”) wanted Dean dead, too, because that was as cold-blooded an assassination attempt (of Dean) as this show has ever done. Or why Chuck didn’t just flat-out kill Dean when Dean refused, but had no problem killing Jack. And alas, even if the above theory is correct, that doesn’t mean the writers will do it any justice, whatsoever.

Which brings us back to the review.

There was some nice acting, especially from Jensen Ackles. And Jared Padalecki got something substantial to chew on with Sam’s growing realization that Chuck was a rotter. This particular journey actually fitted Sam best, since Sam is the brother who has had the most faith in God, has prayed to Him, and has had the most faith in Him. Dean has always been angry with God (and even began the series as a sort of atheistic pagan who didn’t believe in a universal deity, let alone a benevolent one). There’s more dramatic charge in Sam coming to this conclusion after a lifetime of belief and devotion, than Dean, since Dean’s already naturally inclined toward it. I mean, Dean was right all along about Chuck. Go figure.

Unfortunately, the acting can’t save the writing (or the direction). You’ll note that I didn’t mention Misha Collins or Alex Calvert. It’s not because they’re bad actors, but because they basically get nothing of substance to do here. As I said in the recap, Castiel spends most of the episode pissed off (usually at Dean) and poor Calvert is once again stuck with Telling the audience that Jack has no emotions (because he has no soul) while clearly Showing (due to the writing and probably the direction) that actually, Jack’s biggest problem is his emotions and his utter failure to control them without hurting someone. Over and over and over again.

I continue to believe that Jack is unsalvageable as a character. This episode just drove home why. So, no, I wasn’t thrilled to see his Speshul Sparkly Self waking up in the Empty and being visited by two Very Important People. I think he has just gone too far as a character, trampled too many moral lines, killed too many people, to come back from that.

Even Jack’s biggest stans implicitly acknowledge he has something he’s done to the main characters that may not be forgiveable when such fans try instead to transfer that moral charge onto blaming Dean (who is the current surviving victim of Jack’s rampage least likely to indulge him with a forgiveness he really doesn’t deserve). Somebody’s gotta pay, so if it’s not Jack, it’s got to be his “unreasonable” victim. Essentially, it’s just an extension of fans who bought the idea (put forward by Jack himself) that Mary caused her own death by making Jack mad (which, as I said a couple of weeks ago, is Abuser Logic).

Unfortunately, the show itself is at its most emotionally dishonest when having other characters deal with Jack (there’s also that bullshit “Writers lie” thing, but we’ll get to that in a minute). Dean’s character is the least muddy in his emotional arc, though we see his actions through a glass darkly and he has a last-minute change of heart that’s poorly mapped. Having Jack have a sudden and unlikely epiphany (after nearly fridging yet another biological mother figure) that he’s EVOL is, of course, emotionally manipulative, intended to woobie Jack, handwave Jack’s crimes (and they are crimes) to this point, and make Dean look like a big meanie. Again, Abuser Logic.

Less understandable are Sam’s (and especially Castiel’s) overly indulgent attitudes toward Jack, even to the point of ignoring the horrible things Jack has done, including to people they loved. It doesn’t help that the show has written Sam and Castiel for two years as invested in fostering Jack as much as for reasons of pride and ego as for altruism. But even that low bar doesn’t excuse their throwing over a 14-season and 10-season obsession (respectively) with Dean in favor of a character they’ve known for a hot minute, relatively speaking, and who is the son of their worst enemy. I don’t buy that and the show doesn’t even try to make it look plausible. Dabb & Co. just Cousin Oliver it all the way down the line.

So, let’s wrap up with that idiotic “Writers lie” theme. As I said before, it probably comes from a quote by Ursula K. Le Guin, “A novelist’s business is lying,” which this quite-thoughtful essay on her speculates comes originally from Picasso’s quote, “Art is a lie which makes us realize the truth.”

Now, Picasso was, by all accounts, a pompous asshole (and probably an emotional vampire), but he was a talented asshole and in this case, he’s quite right. Great writers don’t just lie to lie. They lie to get at important truths they might not otherwise be able to articulate. I’m going to quote myself from Twitter again (sorry), this time in response to Andrew Dabb’s nonsense about how “writers lie.”

Me: Bad writers lie. Average writers lie pretty. Good writers engage audiences with the truth. Great writers inspire others with the truth.

Also, in context, Le Guin isn’t just saying that writers (well, novelists) lie. She said it in her forward to The Left Hand of Darkness (not my favorite of her books, though I did love some of her others), in response to the idea that science fiction writers should write predictions of the future in their stories. Le Guin was saying that we writers actually are using science fiction to comment on our present. We’re not seers. Don’t put us on a pedestal. We can only present our own, personal truth.

Which is pretty much the opposite of writing a show where the God character is a douchey alter ego to the shallow and self-indulgent writers. That is a cheat, a mean spirited prank on the audience, and poor repayment for our support of the show. Don’t forget that these writers see us all as Becky Rosen.

See you next week with a retro review.

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43 thoughts on “The Official Supernatural: “Moriah” (14.20 – Season Finale) Live Recap Thread”

  1. I am watching Season 13 on TNT. I generally let the show go 40m in so I can rewind the DVR and then ff thru the ads.
    We had a one second power outage and I lost it so I brought out my Season 13 DVD. I watched Scorpion and the Frog and then The Bad Place. and now Wayward Sisters.

    This really was not a bad set-up for a spinoff series. I wonder WHY the CW did not pick it up. Looking at the series they DID pick up I can’t figure it out. I liked most of the characters and would’ve watched.

    You are more hooked in (or were before you moved to NC) so I wonder if you know WHY they did not pick up Wayward Sisters.

    I have been thinking that if CW had picked up Wayward Sisters none of this (the cancellation) would have happened. Dabb would’ve been happy and he would not have taken out his issues on Jensen. I do not get why a showrunner would be so disrespectful to one of the leads of his show. NEVER heard of anything like this before.

    The 3 episodes I mentioned are actually good at world-building.

    So again, I just don’t get it.

    1. Is this fact based or just your interpretation? I think Dabb just wants things the way he wants them. I also think he’s a total hack but that’s my opinion. I do wonder if Jensen felt like he got screwed over by him with the MichaelDean storyline ending the way it did. I don’t think Dabb was taking it out on Jensen. Possibly the SPN fandom tho that would be really stupid.

      I always maintained that there would never be a Supernatural spinoff while Jensen and Jared are still on the show. Let’s face it – Supernatural is Sam and Dean. It revolves around them. When it deviates from them it just isn’t as interesting. It’s like the bar is so high chemistry wise between the two leads and their story so compelling everything else pales in comparison. It’s almostas if they are cursed for the uniqueness. Does that make sense?

      Plus the whole “Ooooh, women power! We the young women who are capable of saving Sam and Dean even tho we have next to zero hunting experience are the new, new Winchesters! And did we mention the representation? Lesbians! POCs! Lesbians! Yay for us! Did we mention the whole WOMEN POWER thing?”
      being shoved down our throats…

    2. Ouch, sorry about your power outage.

      The CW was extremely vague on why they decided not to go forward with Wayward Sisters. They claimed it wasn’t quite where they wanted it to go, but they also implied they didn’t believe a male showrunner was appropriate for a show with a female cast. I’m skeptical of this, since that’s really never bothered the network before and they really aren’t any better than the rest of Hollywood in terms of women either in front of or behind the scenes.

      I do think they weren’t overly impressed by either Andrew Dabb or the Nepotism Duo as showrunners for a new show. I also suspect that making Claire front and center was a bit problematical in light of Kathryn Newton’s career taking off at the time. But the main problem was the negative reaction by fans to the idea that the Brothers were being sidelined to accommodate the Wayward Sisters. Which, considering that’s precisely what Dabb tried to do with the execrable “Bloodlines” concept, is not entirely without merit.

      Personally, I think the concept would have worked fine with a few more tweaks and not making Claire so relentlessly front-and-center, but I also think (though the network certainly would never admit it) that it was slightly ahead of its time with its all-female cast.

      It remains to be seen whether this will be revived, or another spinoff announced when the mothership sails off into the sunset next May.

      1. I like Kathryn Newton; saw her recently in Little Women. Her career has really taken off and for HER I bet the non-pick-up was a good thing.

        Again, watching Season 13 and I watched Breakdown this morning (which is an episode I actually just ‘watch’ sometimes because I have it saved on dvr) and THEN they came up with three episodes that featured Asmodeus and his stupid plots AND/OR Lucifer and HIS stupid plots.

        Golly and Mark Pellegrino’s Lucifer bugged me LOTS more than Asmodeus’ Kentucky Fried Demon. I actually LIKED Rick Springfield’s take (President Lucifer was a nothing-burger, not given anything to do really); his bitterness stands up next to Jensen’s Michael in Nihilism. Not the whiny whining, just a realization that he (Lucifer) would ‘never’ be ‘loved’ in the presence of his Father like he was before the rest of Creation was created. (I liked how PISSED Michael was in those scenes in Nihilism. I waited eternity for THIS BULLSHIT. FUCK this BULLSHIT. I am going to burn it all down. And when we saw what God did to Nephilim Jack at the end, Michael also would not have stood a chance. I wonder if the end of the show will have Michael and Lucifer come back from The Empty to align with Jack (hell, bring back Amara) to take down Chuck.

        Heck, Chuck’s ‘ease’ with which he destroyed Jack was amazing to me, after all his talk about how he ‘could not’ do anything about the Naphil Jack. I am confused about God’s ‘knowledge’ of past present and future. Chuck seemed ‘surprised’ that Dean did not go along with ‘the plan.’ And the fact he ‘upped’ his bet (not just saving the WORLD but also bringing back MARY from the dead) made Dean RECOIL. Chuck should’ve KNOWN his approach would fail. HE KNOWS DEAN down to his molecules.

        So God was STUPID in that last episode.

        How did you like the end of GoT? I think Drogon would’ve burned Jon Snow to a crisp or Grey Worm would’ve seen what Jon had done and just stabbed him. My opinion.

        AKA: I hated the ending. Bran as King? Oh just bullshit. He does not care and cannot interact successfully with human beings. He made Tyrion the actual ruler (kind of like the Steward of Gondor was ‘in place’ of the king but was never going to turn over power).

        1. The ending to Game of Thrones sucked out loud. I’ve killed enough electrons already in discussing this elsewhere, but let me just say here that it took some really poor writing to take the likeable underdog Starks and turn them into a bunch of racist, xenophobic, treacherous, ungrateful twits. I think that has a lot to do with why so many in the audience were unhappy with an ending that essentially handed the Starks a total and unrealistically happy ending (and Bran having manipulated everyone else into betraying and murdering Dany was straight-up creepy). Also, unfortunately, I think this kind of misogyny is hard-baked into the source material and this is more or less what GRRM intended (and will write, should he finish the books). In light of the success of Wonder Woman, and especially Captain Marvel, it’s remarkably tone-deaf.

          So, back to Supernatural–that’s an intriguing question. Does Chuck know Dean? Dean’s the only character we’ve ever seen change destiny (with the possible exception of Amara). We’ve seen Chuck hang out with Dean, intentionally, over other characters. We’ve seen how much Metatron (who was a major Chuck fanboy) resented Dean. Ditto Lucifer, who was jealous of anyone else being a favorite over him.

          No one else has ever been able to do this, not even Jack, who supposedly was special and unexpected and unique. I wasn’t particularly surprised Chuck just up and killed Jack. Jack was a child of two of Chuck’s creations–an archangel and a human. It didn’t actually make any sense that that would make Jack more powerful than God (ditto Jesse being more powerful than Heaven simply due to being the child of a demon and a human). So, I think Chuck was just stringing everyone along.

          The question is why Dean is able to do this and no one else. The show has long danced around it, but refuses to answer it, or at least to answer it definitively and stick to that answer. We’ll see what (or if) they settle on in the final season.

          Personally, I think “Chuck” is really the Empty Entity.

          1. Late to this, but David and Leigh Eddings wrote two trilogies: the Elenium and the Tamuli, which had a character whom the Gods feared- Anakha. And they feared him because he had no destiny and so is immune to fate. We know Dean had a destiny, so the comparison isn’t flawless, but there’s a reason Death steps as carefully around him as the Gods do Anakha.

            Also at least we know why they’ve never gotten traumatic brain injuries: God (or whoever this is) has protected them from this.

            1. In all fairness, Sam has had a few traumatic head injuries (which he had for a few episodes at a time, tops) and Dean suffered a major head injury that allowed Michael to escape. Michael’s escape, however, appears to have completely healed Dean up, though, so…yeah.

              Dean does have a destiny. The show has been mighty cagey about it, though, and after what Game of Thrones did with its ending, I worry Supernatural will do something similarly underwhelming. I didn’t actually care *that* much about Game of Thrones, but I do care about Supernatural.

              1. How well it ends is going to depend on the showrunners and writers. I hope the drop the Butch Cassidy ambiguous ending idea.

                I’m not sure Dean’s destiny really, in the long run, matters because he refuses them when he doesn’t like them. Of course, being Dean, he’d probably refuse his destiny being sitting on a beach chilling.

                1. I’m not a big fan of the Butch and Sundance ending. On top of its being depressing, it also would be inconclusive. They’ve already died so many times, already, that it would be a bit pointless.

                  I think the only way they can really end it is via a “We got work to do ending” (what I’d prefer to see) or one where they split up. That would probably involve Dean leaving Sam permanently and changing state in some way.

                  There are many ways the writers could end things poorly. I just cringe, for example, whenever someone suggests that Jack become the new God. Oh, hell, no.

                  1. The Butch and Sundance ending would be wildly unfulfilling. All these years for… Maybe they survived? Nope.

                    1. Yeah, it’s not exactly a real ending in a shamanistic universe where death is just a transition–and one the Brothers have made many, many times, especially Dean.

                      I like Jensen Ackles’ “dream” ending where Dean trades in the Impala for a motorcycle because he’s now completely on his own.

                    2. Yes. Jensen’s ending and then the movie could start off awith Dean getting Sammy back and the search for the Impala… 🙂

  2. Well, I totally agree with the previous letter.

    BUT on a happy note I am watching a Hallmark Mystery Movie and there was ‘just’ a commercial for a movie called A Bramble House Christmas and the male star is DAVID HADN-JONES. Mr. Ketch in a Christmas movie! My husband said there will be a lot of dead elves showing up!

    1. I’m waiting for the penultimate episode of Game of Thrones to air. Speaking of shows that have really gone down the writing tubes.

      But at least The Rookie and The Orville got renewed.

      1. How are you feeling about GoT? I absolutely HATE what they are doing.

        I went onto and they have a ‘rate the episode’ and they ended up with WAY more ‘AWFULS” than “AWESOME” and when I read the comments there were 434 and I read them all and there were only SIX that I found were ‘good’ comments.

        The people I talk to are as angry as they were about LOST and ‘that’ is saying something.

        1. I think it’s always had big issues with misogyny, but I think it took a major nosedive into them the past few episodes, with no female character coming out unscathed. I also think resolving the Night King storyline before the Iron Throne one was a really stupid idea. Not particularly looking forward to tomorrow night, but I guess it’ll at least be done then. Ugh.

  3. While watching this season’s finale I was hoping for a good cliffhanger. Spn has a thing when they have a meh or even bad season with an awesome ending. Boy was I wrong .
    Like…what was that? I never seen so much BS crammed inside one episode. Characters acting straight up ooc(hey there, s11 Chuck, it was good to know you), some act…term stupid would be too generous(yeah, Sam, you risked the fate of all universe to avenge Jack that was murdering people no-problem-ly), weird interpretation of Isaaak and Abraham story, the stupid jokes. Last time I’ve seen Chuck with the guitar we had really powerful scene in “Don’t call me Shurley” now I feel like I’m watching Bugs Bunny from Looney Toons Back in action(Viva Las Vegas indeed). The “writers lie” line feels so pompous you think Dabb thought he wrote something on the scale of “Winter is coming” . Dean getting the short end of the stick. As always. 14 seasons and the writers just can’t pass on an opportunity to make Dean the asshole. And now what? God as villain? Boy, I can clearly see this working without some miraculous asspull(not to forget how writers would want me to believe that 3 and half reference throughout ten seasons and two different showrunners are clear indication that “Chuck was bad all along” and is in no way another rushed plotline, that Dabb is pretty much knowed for at this point) Death, helping brothers to stop God-like creature? Where did I heard this one before? Man, when you’re ripping off Sera Gamble, you know you’re in for some quality writing. This season was a pile of garbage on fire , but the ending just takes a cake . And yeah, thanks for retconning the whole canon, Dabb. But hey, I’m clearly in the minority, considering what I read online, so…who knows? Maybe Supernatural isn’t for me anymore

    1. If it helps you feel better, I saw an awful lot of fan anger on Twitter along the same lines as your complaints. It’s just that Twitter tends to push negative stuff like that way down the list when you hashtag search on the site.

    2. I thought Sam grabbed The Equalizer and shot Chuck because he saw what Chuck had just done to DEAN.

      Which again showed me that ‘anything’ ‘anybody’ could ever say about Dean being unable to deal in a world without Sam, you can say that equally for SAM at this time.

      1. Sam’s never functioned without Dean. Even the times he tried to live without Dean (except for the OOC letting Dean rot in Purgatory year), he didn’t do very well and was usually back to doing some very shady things to get Dean back pretty quickly.

  4. Paula, I’ve seen discussion that the show might be moving away from its Judeo-Christian origins to a hermetic and gnostic perspective. I doubt the writers are putting in that much thought but are you familiar with those latter concepts?

    1. I doubt the writers are, either, but they may have read a few woo-woo books and think they’re experts now.

      People seem to mean a lot of things when they use those terms, because they’re not exactly opposed to Judeo-Christian. They may be thinking of dualism (and that it’s only Zoroastrianism, which isn’t true), but the show was much closer to that in season 11 than now.

  5. If the Chuck we saw on screen was indeed the real Chuck, then God (Chuck) is incredibly spiteful. He would literally be turning the whole world into hell just so he can punish Dean. That said, hell on Earth could make for an explosive final season. I just hopeyou’re wrong and it’s not all resolved after a few episodes.

    Unfortunately, the final scene proves that the saga of Jack will continue.

    By the way, the rating is at 9.6, and the reviews on that site mostly heavily praise the episode. Most professional reviews I’ve seen are also favorable.

    I guess you’re so critical because you’re an award winning writer yourself.

    1. Nah. I don’t claim to be God’s gift to writing, especially by this time in my career (the longer you go and the more projects you do, the more acutely aware you are of your limitations as a writer). But I can be harder on the show’s writers because, as a writer myself, I’m pretty good at telling when a writer is BSing the audience. Some genre TV writers get pretty far up their own backsides, but ultimately, you’re just telling people stories.

      As for the sycophancy from some quarters, the show’s been around a long time. People who didn’t like its quirks dropped out years ago. You get the same effect with chronically low-rated shows when they’re on their way out (I call it the Stargate: Universe Effect, since that’s the show where I first noticed it), where it appears to be more favorably seen as its ratings decline – that’s because only the diehards are still watching.

      Supernatural isn’t low-rated, of course, but it has been on so long that it’s lost its most vociferous critics for the episode-to-episode byplay. IMDb ratings can also be ridiculously inflated by a very few people and some social media platforms (coughTwittercoughcough) tend to downplay even popular negative tweets in hashtag search feeds.

  6. Thanks for doing these season 14 recaps/reviews, Paula. It was a tough season on so many counts. I’ll never forgive Dabb for his criminal neglect of the Michael storyline. If he was talking about himself, he was spot on about the “writers lie” bit. I know I was sure fooled. There’s no way I would ever watch another one of his shows. I swore the same thing when Gamble left and sure enough, she just showed her true colors to a different fandom.

    More than anything, I found the finale slow. It wasn’t hard to figure out that Dean wouldn’t kill Jack Sue, Sam and Castiel wouldn’t support Dean, and Chuck would return. That was essentially 90% of the episode right there.

    I’m guessing the ghost/zombie issue will be summarily handled once the new season starts. And then Dabb & his gang will throw some more spaghetti on the wall. Although, i”m not sure what his criteria is for the spaghetti. It’s obviously not telling a cohesive, logical story. And it’s not particuarly based on what fans want – otherwise, Nick/Lucifer would have stayed gone, Mary would have been a badass AND showed some maternal warmth, and we would have gotten a decent Michael!Dean storyline.

    I don’t know what to make of this Chuck, who only creates for entertainment and has no affection for any of his creations. That’s not really the sense I got from his previous appearances. And saying that everything that’s ever happened on the show was just Chuck’s manipulation feels about as satisfying as the Bobby in the shower reveal. It also seems kind of a cop-out to handwave away bad writing. Dabb apologists are already saying stuff like the Michael story was just a shell game so of course it didn’t go anywhere.

    (And can Chuck really destroy anything? I thought that was Amara’s domain. )

    I saw something on Tumblr that hit a big concern I have about where the show is going. The post said that in the past, humanity (I’m assuming through the Winchesters and especially Dean) was the big influencer of the Supernatural universe. But now Dabb’s thrown an actual deus ex machina into the mix and that’s changed the dynamic. Jack, not Dean, took care of Michael. Jack, not Sam, closed the door on Nick and Empty!Lucifer. Billie’s talking to Jack instead of the brothers. Where does humanity fit into the picture? I’m crossing my fingers that Jensen & Jared do have a say in next season’s story. It’d be a disgrace if the show ended its run with the brothers as sidelined cheerleaders to Dabb’s Creator’s Pet.

    1. The finale was *very* slow. A whole lot of infodumpy talk and maybe three setpieces. I have no idea what some people thought they were excited about. Okay, yeah, I do – they thought the last few minutes were terribly exciting. But this show does cliffhangers all the time and doesn’t resolve them worth beans.

      I agree that we’re losing the humanity aspect in all this (and that it’s making things boring), but that has long been a problem with the show. Back in season four, Kripke waffled between talking about the Brothers as superheroes (he meant Sam, of course) and how Hunters were gritty humans engaging with forces well beyond their control (he meant Dean, of course). And then he started talking about how Sam and Dean were stuck on the sidelines in seasons four and five because of all the superpowered beings having the plot.

      So, alas, this problem ain’t new.

  7. Granted the whole Billie and Empty Entity hanging out with Jack – our poor departed nougat loving boy – was strange. It could have been the Entity posing as Chuck but how odd that it would be so powerful. I so hope they don’t go there. And is anyone else already sick of the entity? And dare I even say Billie. I could buy a Dark Chuck/Mirror version more though,. One whom Cas unknowingly called to him with his prayer. That would explain the equality of power. Plus they dropped hints all over in the episode. The biggest in our face being the Mirror Imaging Company with its idiotic, shallow employees. And Chucks description of a alt universe in reverse.

    Weird thought. How sure are we that Chuck transported Sam, Dean, Cas and himself back to the bunker in our time in the Winchesters universe. Nah. Dumb idea.

    I’ll tell you what will be a colossally bad idea is if Dabb really is retconning Chuck and the shows history. I could see him intentionally doing it to leave his mark. A way of claiming Supernatural, wiping out all that came before. Jensen didn’t like it when they added the carved initials of Mary Winchester next to the iconic SW. DW. I think he is concerned that this won’t be the only iconic thing ruined. Perhaps that is why he and Jared plan on being front and center when it comes to its final season. Is it Dabbs idea is to bring back these creatures, ghosts… whom Sam and Dean defeated once before to get them back on the road saving people, hunting things? If so, one – seriously? They have to fight the same monsters as before? That’s just stupid. And lazy. And boring. Been there, done that, don’t need a revisit, already have the t shirt. And second – I so don’t want to see him put his spin on that. He sucks and he will ruin it. So all this just for me to say I’d rather see Dark Chuck. Or maybe AUChuck that Michael knew in his world who is the opposite of our Chuck. I just don’t want to witness the destruction of all the Winchester history which came before. All the love and sacrifice and struggle. The wins and the loss. Some things are sacrosanct. This is one of them. I hope even Dabb respects that.

  8. Paula I read your review tonight and I am intrigued with the idea that the CHUCK who showed up as SUCH a different character was not CHUCK but THE EMPTY and the gooey guy in the Empty was actual Chuck.

    That is a great idea. It gives me hope for next season actually.

    Now if it is The Empty as Chuck, I wonder if he killed Billie (he seems to be a real powerful entity) and THAT is why she is in the Empty. We know Jack is there because he was supposed to go there; we saw a Gooey Guy “I” thought was The Empty personified and then Billie. Like I said, if she’s there is she DEAD? I like the idea of them bringing back a lot of dead ‘eternals’ and I am hereby voting bring back Crowley.
    (And Gabriel and Anna and Balthazar — hmm, I wonder if Sam’s dissing Celine Dion was a hint about My Heart Will Go On being Balthazar’s kryptonite song?

    Anyway, IF this is right, I am all excited.

    BTW you are right about the ratings. Will you post the 7-day final ratings? Every other CW show I saw this week (and I did not see The Flash so that skews it) was WAY lower.

    1. Unfortunately, I expect that whatever is going on will be resolved by episode three of next season. That’s the usual pattern.

      Regarding the new/old MOTWs … remember the Seven Deadly Sins at the beginning of season 3? I think it will be like that.

  9. Ok. One more. When I saw this it bothered me but I handwaved it to a mistake or lousy attention to continuity but now I’m not so sure. Remember when Cas and Anael went to the pawn shop to talk to ? (can’t remember his name) about Joshua talking to God and he said Joshua made something and he talked to God with it. Then later when Cas found the something which turned out to be the amulet and made the call, Cas said it didn’t work and pawn shop guy said “Yeah it didn’t work for Joshua either.” Pawn shop guy had just said earlier that it did work. So I was thinking what if it did work but called a Dark alternate version of Chuck. Evil as opposed to good. Maybe the materials Joshua used weren’t pure enough. Maybe when the call went through Joshua realized it wasn’t really God so he never used it again. Maybe when Dean and Company jumped universes they inadvertently opened up or weakened the connection to our world. Didn’t Chuck say there was other universes. One yellow. One full of squirrels and one in reverse? I was thinking reverse like going backward (I don’t know why) when in reverse could be mirror image. Always in reverse. I think Chuck dropped a big hint as to where he came from. Or am I crazy?

    1. It took Chuck weeks to show up after Castiel’s call; Chuck may have responded to Joshua’s call when he was not at Methusaleh’s shop.

    2. I don’t really buy into the idea of a Dark!Chuck. The show messed things up (without thinking things through) enough with the Multiverse and alternate realities, basically to handwave the fact that the writers couldn’t handle the storylines they had. Now they’ve dumped a whole lot of “iconic” monsters from the early seasons back into the mix because … well, why? There are already too many things on the burner as it is.

      Show history (with this writing crew especially) indicates that they’re about to ditch a whole lot of storylines, unresolved. Because that’s what they did before. In fact, introducing a whole bunch of WTF?! storylines before resolving the old ones means that the old ones will never get revisited.

      I’m rolling my eyes at some of the fans who are so happy about this finale. Most of them seem happy because “finally,” the focus is back off Dean and gee, maybe Sam can get to do something again (you know, the way he freakin’ dominated the mytharc for the first eight seasons, for better and worse). Anyone who thinks this will somehow pan out differently, after two seasons of Nope, is, I think, ignoring the way this show has operated, especially of late.

  10. Paula. While you’re contemplating I just wanted to throw something into the mix. Chuck did seem strange. At one point in the episode the boys went into the Mirror Universe Company or whatever it was called. Is this a tease as to what is going on with bad Chuck? Perhaps everything did not reset as it should have when the broke the pearl? Or when Mary died and the shell returned. What if something else came back that has taken on the appearance of Chuck? Of course it would have to be massively powerful. Didn’t Chuck say something about dark and light? What if when Cas called for God he got DarkGod. Why? I have no idea. Sadly I’ll have to rewatch the episode for more clues. I’m just rambling. It’s just Chuck did such an about face as to who he was before. And writers lie. And apparently showrunners too.

  11. I wanted to say something else: people brought up in Season 11 ending episodes that Chuck said Gabriel and Raphael were dead and Michael was insane.

    Now we know he lied about Gabriel.

    I thought at the time that Chuck arranged all of this so that Amara could win (he is omniscient after all) because she could NEVER forgive him if she was defeated. So Chuck ‘lied’ because he had a plan (to go into battle against Amara without the strongest forces he had the first time — I simply do not believe he could not resurrect Gabriel and Raphael and ‘heal’ Michael the way he healed Sam of his Demon Blood Addiction) and that is how I answered that question.

    It seemed to me Chuck was written ‘very’ much to be like the Howard Hughes-type God from Miracle Workers, a petulant man-baby. Well Chuck was a little more adult than Steven Buscemi’s God, but no less whiny and just irritating. I do not have any understanding WHY they wrote Chuck, after 10yr or so, to be THE GUY we saw last night.

    Again, Michael was right. Not about destroying all creation but that SOMEBODY had to take God out. Because he was an ASSHOLE.

  12. I did not hate it. Boy, Paula and AlyCat, I do appreciate your scorching words though.

    ONE thing: when The Empty walked over to Jack in his gooey form I literally screamed NO MORE LUCIFER. Yes I did. I scared the cats and woke up the dogs. NO MORE LUCIFER.

    As to the John Wayne Gacy ghost: I thought it was Gacy first but then somebody said it looked like the Rakshasha from Everybody Loves a Clown and I don’t know. LOOKED more like Gacy but the other two ‘revenants’ were from Season 1 because I thought they were going for ‘old timey’ spooks

    I really liked the tech group. What an office! I have been retired for a while and forgot how hard it was to work with people I did not like! (And I had one job that was that way.) I accepted the gramma’s anguish and feared YES that Jack had killed her.

    Yeah, Castiel, rather than playing ‘father’ was (along with Sam) playing overindulgent ‘mother’ and that got them nowhere.

    I was truly shocked when Chuck just killed Jack LIKE THAT. I do not know if Dean killing Jack would’ve killed Dean for sure. Sam sure was not very injured at all when he shot Chuck. At this point, I ‘want’ Jack to wake up Michael, say they found out HE was right about God and commiserate. Hey, Nick had a prayer to ‘wake up’ Lucifer, maybe Dean could bring back Michael the same way? All the notes and ingredients were there in the shack, right? So the brothers ‘could’ know what Nick was doing.

    I was SO SCARED that the Gooey Guy was Lucifer I was SO HAPPY it was just The Empty.

    Now has Chuck ‘wound back’ the world to 2005 and all these ghosts/demons/monsters/god were ‘never’ put down or are they all back NOW and know what Sam and Dean did to them.

    I am SURE they got the Bloody Mary actress back (she was beautiful and I checked and it ‘was’ she) but I thought she had played another character aside from Bloody Mary. BUT they did not get back Sarah Shahi to play Constance Welch. Too bad. But the actress did look a lot like Shahi (she was Shanae Tomasevich). They did not list in the credits on imdb who played the ghost clown; not the guy from S2E2 or the guy from S14E13 (Lebanon) who played Gacy.

    I maybe want them to get Michael out of the Cage; Dean ‘should’ be able to control him if he is insane (I think) and I would like to see another Jensen ‘stretch.’

    The ending reminded me of the ending of Angel, in which the whole cast of characters knew they were all going to die almost immediately but still went into the fight.

    They sure had a LOT of bad people in that cemetery, didn’t they?

  13. No wait. Comparing this to a giant pile of crap does the gigantic pile of crap a disservice! My apologies to any crap I may have inadvertently offended.

    1. Well, I’m afraid I’m going to have to get up early tomorrow to go do an old window repair demo at our historic preservation trades fair. So, you’re going to have to wait until tomorrow night. But trust me – I’m already brewing up something special. Dabb’s ep’s gonna look sweet in white:

  14. OMG this was – what’s the best way to describe it? A giant pile of crap. From beginning to end. That entire office scene was so hokey. Stupidly written characters. The convos Jack was overhearing before his edict to stop lying were equally so. The waste of the Malak Box (and MichaelDeans storyline) was almost criminal. A magic God gun. Seriously? God showing up and basically retconning everything we know of his part in Supernatural. Changing back what Jack had done. Reversing it all. And neither Sam or Dean raise a card about the possibility of reversing Mary’s death? Dabb has cheapened the life stories of the brothers. After Gods little diatribe if I were Sam and Dean I would have said “F it. Why bother anymore? It’s all a farce. We’re out! Peace!” My God I can’t tell you how much I hate the direction Dabb has taken this. I’m reading elsewhere that it’s brilliant and oh, so deep. And metaphysical and theological and… bullshit. For one thing its a way for Dabb to bring back characters from the past. Both good and bad. Personally I’d rather he leave past characters well enough alone. I can’t think of one instance where he hasn’t ruined them when he does. Watch in the end Heaven will give special dispensation to the previously damned wandering souls and in the spirit of starting over, give them all a door of their own. Afterall Heaven is in need of bodies.

    So oh noes, Jack is dead. Only not so much. He along with Billie and the Entity and Lucifer are all hanging out in the inescapable (pffft) Empty. Whatever can Billie be up to? What part of this will Jack play? Will Jack remember Castiels deal with the Entity? Ugh. Who cares.

    God has released the Hell souls. Okay. So are these the tormented that hadn’t quite been there long enough to become demons? Are they demons looking for dead meatsuits? Were there that many bad people in that town because if the souls were returning “home” that was a pretty naughty place. And what was up with The Lady in White and John W. Gacy? Ghosts? And all the shuffling dead people converging on Team Whats The Point Of Free Will? Zombies? This was such a mess. Dabb has lost any shred of writing talent he ever possessed. The Lamborghini? Well and truly wrecked.

    And might I say how much I detest it when they impose political commentary in Supernatural. It’s aggravating because it rips one right out of the story. I watch to get away from our reality. It dates the show and it’s an insult to people who don’t think the same. So basically Dabb is alienating some of his own viewers. Dumbass.

    Also… More hints about the cage. Are they planning on freeing Michael/Adam next year? What happened to the God Ray gun? Did God really want to kill off both Jack and Dean? Is Amara really playing Keno? (So stupid). Why is Chuck concerned about Billie? Honestly? I don’t know that I even care. This is the first hiatus that I am not dreading and not because next season is it. Truthfully I wouldn’t be surprised if sometime in the future the J’s admit that Dabbs vision is part of what caused them to finally pull the plug.

    Who’d a thunk that AUMichael would have actually been the one who correctly called it. God didn’t and doesn’t care. And I can’t blame him for wanting to flush Chuck out and kill him. Unfortunately unless Dabb plans on resurrecting him from the Empty we will never get to see that.

    And finally – Did I mention what a huge pile of crap this season finale was?

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