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Whispers, Spoilers & Speculation Corner: 03/20/17


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Sci-fi Spoilerpalooza
By Heather S. Vina

After eight years, The Vampire Diaries is officially over! There are a lot of wrap up articles, interviews, etc. out there. Here’s an assortment of them, E!Online has the cast’s goodbyes. EW has up some goodbyes as well. EW has up an interview with co-creators Julie Plec and Kevin Williamson on the reasoning behind the finale’s conclusions. Deadline has up an interview with Plec and Williamson. Variety has up an interview with Plec on another possible spin-offTV Line has up an interview with Plec on the thought process of the finale. Plec also spoke with TV Line about The Originals connection. TV Insider has up an interview with Kevin Williamson. The Hollywood Reporter explores the potential for another spin-off. TV Line has up some answers from Plec on what might have been.

In good news for their fans, the CW has renewed The 100 for season five. The Gothic comic book show Riverdale was also renewed, leaving only iZombieThe Originals, and low-rated Frequency and No Tomorrow, up-in-the-air.

EW has up the first promotional photos for the Supergirl/The Flash crossover musical episode. TV Line also has up some tidbits from the stars.

I don’t cover this show in this column, but for fans of Netflix’s Lemony Snicket’s A Series of Unfortunate Events, the show has been renewed for a second season. You can see their video announcement here.

On the renewal front for shows that I do cover, Syfy has renewed 12 Monkeys for a fourth and final season, and The Expanse for a third season. And FX has renewed Legion for a second season.

The 100: TV Line has up an interview with Eliza Taylor on the season opener, as well as some tidbits from her on Clarke’s new relationship.

American Gods: There’s a new trailer out for the FX series.

Arrow: TV Line has up the promotional photos for episode five. EW has up an interview with actor Josh Segarra about his character’s big reveal.

The Defenders: Gamesradar has up some leaked set footage of the new team teaming up.

Doctor Who: Good news for old school villain-fans (and star Peter Capaldi), the Mondasian Cybermen are making a return appearance! There’s also a new trailer out for the coming season, with some interesting new aliens and a closer (more reassuring, in my opinion) look at new Companion Bill.

The Flash: Candice Patton spoke with TV Line and E!Online about the crossover episode with Supergirl and the status of Iris’ relationship with Barry. TV Line has up the photos for episode 3.16, which sees the return of several departed characters. EW has up an interview with Grant Gustin following last week’s tumultuous episode.

Game of Thrones: Singer/Songwriter Ed Sheeran will be making a guest appearance on the show! Deadline has up a recap of the SXSW panel with showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss. Huffington Post has up an interview with Kit Harington on season seven. The show is set to return to HBO on July 16, 2017. Jim Broadbent revealed to Screen Crush that his character is “a maester, an archmaester … I’m an old professor character.” There’s a new promotional poster out as well.

The Inhumans: The “Best of Marvel” Twitter account has up the first look of Anson Mount as Black Bolt. The Reel News Hawaii Twitter account has up some set photos of Roel Reine, Lockjaw and a “mystery man in black.” Comic Book.com has up some set photos of several of the new characters. Coming Soon has some up as well.

Legends of Tomorrow: EW and some of the cast theorize on whether or not the crew can control the Spear of Destiny.

Once Upon A Time: Reports are that while the show is mulling a reboot for a potential seventh season, it is currently negotiating for actors Jennifer Morrison (Emma), Lana Parrilla (Regina), Robert Carlyle (Mr. Gold) and Colin O’Donoghue (Hook) to return. No word on original actors Ginnifer Goodwin (Mary), Josh Dallas (David) and Jared Gilmore’s (Henry) potential returns. The show has cast former The Walking Dead actor Andrew J. West in a “mysterious” new role that could become permanent should the show be renewed. EW has up some tidbits from Dallas on David’s “dark” turn. EW has up several interviews/articles. There are some tidbits from Morrison on Gideon’s attempts to kill Emma, also an interview with Parrilla on Robin’s return. Morrison and O’Donoghue spoke about the Wish Realm Hook. TV Line has up some scoop on the season finale.

The Originals: Spoiler TV has up the official synopsis and promotional photos for the premiere episode, which will air on March 17, 2017. TV Line has up an interview with executive producer Michael Narducci post the season premiere that aired this past Friday. EW has up some tidbits from Michael Narducci as well.

Powerless: TV’s original Batman Adam West will guest star in an upcoming episode.

Preacher: TV Line has up the first promotional photos of season two, as well as the premiere date: Monday, June 19.

Scream: Rumor has it that MTV is looking at rebooting the show for season three.

Sense 8: Spoiler TV has up the most recent promotional photos for the second season.

Shadowhunters: TV Line has up a pre-midseason finale with actress star Katherine McNamara. They also have up a post-finale interview with showrunners Darren Swimmer and Todd Slavkin.

Star Trek Discovery: The show has found its Captain in actor Jason Issacs (Harry Potter), who has been cast as Captain Lorca, the Captain of the Discovery.

Teen Wolf: TV Line has up the cast photos from the series finale set. EW has up actress Shelley Hennig’s goodbye tweets.

Van Helsing: Actress Missy Peregrym (Rookie Blue) is joining season two as a series regular. She will be playing a character named Scarlett Harker, who has a “mysterious past.”

The Walking Dead: TV Line has up some tidbits from the show’s recent appearance at Paleyfest. The Hollywood Reporter has some up as well. Comic Book.com has up some interview snippets from several of the actors post-last week’s episode. Melissa McBride says she hopes there’s a reconciliation between Carol and Rick. McBride also explains Carol’s feelings about Darryl’s lie. There’s speculation on whether or not Carol will kill Negan.

X-Men Show: The X-Men show now has a chapter title: Gifted. Producer Lauren Schuler Donner posted a photo of the cast reading. And despite the appearance of The Originals‘ Joseph Morgan in the photo, according to EW, he is not a part of the cast. According to a photo posted by a fan Twitter account, cast member Blair Redford’s mysterious mutant Sam has been revealed as X-Man Thunderbird. Cast member Natalie Ayn Lind posted a cast photo on her Instagram.

The Walking Dead: The Hollywood Reporter has up an article about the future for Rick and Michonne.

Westworld: According to an interview with Jimmi Simpson, he is unsure if he is returning for season two or not.

Zoo: Season three has a premiere date! It will return Thursday, June 29.

Over at EW, the Spoiler Room has spoilers on shows Legends of Tomorrow, Once Upon a Time, The Originals, and The 100. The latest Spoiler Room has spoilers on shows Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Supergirl, 12 Monkeys, Once Upon a Time, The Originals, Legends of Tomorrow, and Arrow.

At TV Line, the latest Inside Line has spoilers on shows Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Once Upon a Time, The Flash, Supergirl, The Originals, Grimm, and Lucifer.


Supernatural (Thursday nights, 8pm, CW)
By Paula R. Stiles

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It’s official! The show has been renewed for a 13th season. This may well be (by a couple of weeks) the earliest renewal Supernatural has ever received.

The show has moved to 8pm. Still on Thursdays.

The season finale is May 18. The show will air back-to-back episodes that night, so it appears there will be a single-week hiatus after this one (possibly when Riverdale airs is season finale on May 11).

The Season 12 line-up (23 episodes) so far: “Keep Calm and Carry On” (12.01) official photos and press release; “Mamma Mia” (12.02) synopsis and photos; “The Foundry” (12.03) synopsis, official photos, sneak peek, and promo; “American Nightmare” (12.04) synopsis, official photos and promo; “The One You’ve Been Waiting For” (12.05) synopsis, promo and set photos; “Celebrating the Life of Asa Fox” (12.06) synopsis, photos and promo; “Rock Never Dies” (12.07) synopsis, photos and promo; “LOTUS” (12.08) synopsis, photos and promo; “First Blood” (12.09) synopsis, photos, promo and sneak peek, as well as an extended promo; “Lily Sunder Has Some Regrets” (12.10) (this is the one with Alicia Witt) synopsis, photos and promo, and sneak peek; “Regarding Dean” (12.11) tech survey card, synopsis, set photo, promo and official photos; “Stuck in the Middle (With You)” (12.12) tech survey card, synopsis, preliminary photo (this one’s directed by Richard Speight Jr.), and official photos and promo; “Family Feud” (12.13) synopsis; “The Raid” (12.14) tech survey card, synopsis, and promo and official photos; “Somewhere Between Heaven and Hell” (12.15) tech survey card, synopsis, official photos and promo; “Ladies Drink Free” (12.16) tech survey card, synopsis, photos and promo; “The British Invasion” (12.17) synopsis and tech survey card; Unnamed Episode (12.18) tech survey card;  Unnamed Episode (12.19) tech survey card and partial title card, showing the director is Amanda Tapping, and the writers are Robert Berens and Meredith Glynn; and Unnamed Episode (12.20) tech survey card, showing Richard Speight Jr. returning to direct.

No new episodes until the end of the month. This week, the show is doing a double-feature repeat of “Stuck in the Middle (with You)” (12.12) and “The Raid” (12.14) on Thursday night.

The synopsis for “The British Invasion” (12.17) is up:

THE WINCHESTERS FIND KELLY KLINE – Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean (Jensen Ackles) get a lead on Kelly Kline’s (guest star Courtney Ford) whereabouts. Mick (guest star Adam Fergus) drops by the bunker unexpectedly and decides to join the hunt. John Showalter directed the episode written by Eugenie Ross-Leming & Brad Buckner (#1217). Original airdate 4/6/2017.

I’ve moved my Official live recaps to this site and simul-recapping at Wayward Friends, with reviews to follow.

Let’s talk for a bit about what’s been happening with the Writers Guild of America. They recently went into negotiations for new contracts with producers, but there are some snags and talk of a possible strike has been spreading through the industry for the past month. As long-time fans will recall, the show’s third season was shortened, and Dean’s fate at the end of it changed, due to the last strike, which went on for 100 days.

The two big issues are that writers feel undercompensated for streaming (which has become a big earner for the studios) and that the increased use of shorter seasons has resulted in a general drop of revenue, since writers’ earnings are based on the 22-episode season model. These issues came up when the Director’s Guild renegotiated their contracts in December and the WGA is following up in a tactic known as “pattern bargaining.” They are currently hesitating to go to strike, however. The large streaming libraries from Netflix and Hulu may mean less pressure than before on the studios to produce new content as TV watchers just catch up on what they’ve been too busy to watch before now. Negotiations are expected to take another week or more and are currently under a news blackout.

It’s unlikely Supernatural would be harmed by a strike. Its season is over halfway done and nearly written, and the leads would likely appreciate the extra time off. What would be delayed would be season 13. It might also give the writers a chance to regroup and get their acts together (as they did before). Crew members might be “on vacation” for an extra month or so, but as the show has already been renewed and its popularity cemented by near-constant cons all over the world, they won’t be out for long.

Other shows could be severely affected however. The mortality rate among even shows that were doing fairly well was high after the last strike, especially among genre shows.

No repeat last week (that was devoted to re-running The Vampire Diaries series finale special, so no ratings for that. Let’s take a gander at the DVR ratings.

“First Blood” (12.09) came back in January with a 0.6/2 and 1.72 million in the overnight finals. This rose to 1.1 and 2.727 million in the L+7s. It made no showing in the L+3 listings, indicating most of its significant rise was in the L+7 categories.

“Lily Sunder Has Some Regrets” (12.10) rose from a 0.6/2 to a 1.0 and from 1.732 million to a 2.638 million. It, too, made no showing in the L+3s. Notice that it went up slightly in live viewing but down slightly in delayed viewing.

“Regarding Dean” didn’t show up in the L+3s, either. The L+7s aren’t out, yet.


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31 thoughts on “Whispers, Spoilers & Speculation Corner: 03/20/17”

  1. Another writers’ strike? Oh-kay.

    I really wonder about all the dropped plots. I would have liked to have seen Dean saved from hell — or at least figure out the mechanism for saving him. I don’t know ‘why’ they could not figure out how they saved him (the season was too short doesn’t cut it with me (of course, I also don’t know where the scripts pre-strike end — if they ended at 15 and had one episode more…well then I get it).

    I also wonder about the Hunters Coming After Dean (because he was the one protecting Sam) plot. THAT is one I would’ve loved to see play out.

    Friday on TNT ended Season 11 and I figured out that one is actually my ‘favorite’ because I have watched it more than once Episode 1 to Episode 23. And now we are back to the babies this morning with Pilot (cunningly titled PILOT EPISODE on the TNT precis). Babies, I mean I totally enjoy how they have aged over the years. They look so different yet so GOOD in every iteration.

    1. Well, anything Dean-related back in the day was pretty low priority for the showrunners.

      Yep, the title of the pilot is, quite literally, “Pilot.” Inventive, right?

  2. Also, when should I find out if Timeless has been renewed? I do enjoy that show, it got a little weird by the end (Garcia’s character was certifiable I mean REALLY nuts) .

    You said it looked ‘really’ iffy for renewal but, boy, it has bee a while.

        1. They might announce a decision before then, but it’s very unlikely they will leave its fate up in the air after the upfronts, unless they’re reserving an option to make it a midseason replacement. The upfronts are where they announce the fall schedule.

    1. I’m a bit surprised they didn’t try to repeat Riverdale, after they tried the pilot again after “The Flash” on Tuesdays. But then, the ratings aren’t as great as the show’s fans try to make out, either. Maybe they figured doing a double of SPN was more profitable.

  3. This is something wacky: one of my favorite episodes is the first clown episode (Everybody Loves a Clown) and next week TNT will be doing Season 2. BUT they are showing ep 1 and then ep 3; I remember on imdb.com GG would list the episodes monthly that would be on TNT (or something like that) but I don’t know how to contact her to ask her why no-show for ep 2.

    I mean, this show has run for YEARS, what would be the problem with ep 2? Did the music issue (have to get non-copywrited music or something) have an interest here?

    I just miss imdb.com and the spn board there. So many people I loved to read; at the end there I did not mind the snippiness just because it was like people were ‘friends’ and it all died down pretty quickly. (The truly toxic commenters were long gone.)

    1. You could always write TNT. There could be all sorts of reasons, from laziness, to trying to fit a season finale into the schedule, to bad ratings for that ep (though it seems unlikely; that one’s a fan favorite), to they have it scheduled for an upcoming marathon.

  4. Hey, what the HECK is Legion doing having a Big Bad called YED aka Yellow Eyed DEMON? I thought the show was original and now i find out they actually have the Big Bad is YED?

    Screw that. I mean it. Really. Azazel was the best villain ‘ever’ for SPN. Some morning I wake up and it is little things like this that tick me off.

      1. I noticed that too about Grimm’s Purgatory. Of all the ways the key story might have gone…. Am I alone in thinking Juliette crossing over is exactly what skull face wanted because she is his ticket out of there.

        Lol I really thought the stick was going to be a Jesus relic because of the resurrection power and the crusaders tie-in. The child bride business is icky.

        The only thing I have liked this season is Monroe’s nightmare of his wife birthing a huge litter… lol.

        Unfortunately Dabb is little better than Grimm.

        I couldn’t even watch both episodes tonight. The first one was really terrible except for the emotional beats between Dean, Cas, Crowley and Mary. Jared just wasn’t in their league with conveying inner turmoil, etc.

        Retch totally wants to bang Mary.

        I know,Sam got the kill but they showed the painting of Michael triumphing over Lucifer and Dean picked up the broken Lance. Still hoping we will see Dean-Michael.

        I can’t decide which was worse… the writing or the directing. Definitely the directing. Blah blah blah.
        With the introduction of Dagon, Ramiel, yellow eyed Princes of Hello, Lucifer, Mary’s betrayal, the Colt and Crowley’s touching pining for Dean this should have been a good episode. This season sucks balls.

        AM so glad that Grimm is finally dying.

        1. SPN is pretty bad this season. But every time I think it couldn’t get worse, I check out Grimm or (God help us) Sleepy Hollow.

          It’s sad, because Grimm was on my short list of shows that could have eventually broken Supernatural’s record. But its showrunners just sucked too hard and couldn’t come up with any new story after the first two seasons. They’ve been on repeat for a while, their writing for their female characters is horrible, and they completely botched the “treasure” storyline.

          I agree about the dream scene, though. And I enjoyed the Valentine’s Day episode.

          1. Was the V day episode the one at the hotel. That was fun. I liked the first episode of Grimm a lot. Every time it started to get interesting they blew it. It makes me angry that NBC kept it going when they dumped Dracula and Constantine and Hannibal…

            I haven’t watched Sleepy Hollow this season. They had gold and tossed it away completely. It was worse than Heroes because they actually threw out the premise and redid the basic premise of a hit show. How dumb was that.

            Dabb has ideas. The writing and direction has really dropped which tells me that Carver did a lot behind the scenes. Jensen, Samantha, Mark X 2, Misha and Ruth are the only reason to watch. They consistently elevate their material. I hope they keep Samantha but I doubt they will.

            I do like that Crowley and Dean are the only two smart folks left… and Rowena too now that she’s had her come to Jesus moment .
            Mary and Sam are acting too stupid a out the lol. Seriously. Mary should have walked aND never handed over the colt. And that vampire episode should not have convinced Sam to join. They haven’t connected the dots to make those character decisions make sense.
            I get Dean telling them whatever. He wants to keep his family together and is trying to get along, even as he knows he is right.

            It’s obvious he will be angry when the lol kills someone he considers innocent, probably someone he regards as family and sh@! Will hit the fan. Mary is the one that threatened Reach however Dean is the one they should fear. Poor Claire. I like her

            And it is obvious that the nephilim is a get out of jail card for Lucifer with some serious retconning.

            Too many almost deaths too. Someone on TFW will die.

            But lord it is so boring and bad.

          2. Yes, it was.

            Also, this week felt really rushed, but hey, they gotta wrap it all up next week!

            I’m hoping they’re giving Ackles some extra time off now, partly because Dean’s gonna come roaring back near the end of the season. But I sure am getting tired of waiting through all these crappy storylines for it.

        2. CC, I have been thinking on this: SOMEHOW I think the BMOL go after Garth and his family. Dean goes to save them and gets killed. YES killed. Sam and Mary show up and either they find out immediately and try to protect Garth’s family OR the body is hidden and they are just ‘there’ (wherever his is going down.

          Dean gets up and heals. And turns to Sam and says “I ‘always’ knew you would get him killed.”

          I want Michael-in-Dean ‘so bad.’ (AND we get that without Dean saying YES because Dean ‘is’ dead and Michael has conceived a heaven for him in which he is actually hunting. So ‘Dean’ is dead Michael has his sweet ass and we can have Sam trying to resurrect Dean in his own body.

          I also want Mary ‘gone’ I don’t care where, let her get bit, turned to a werewolf and end up in Purgatory. The whole storyline is realistic within the show but Season 12 Mary is the coldest mother I have ever seen. There is no loving nature on display no looks, no body attitude that I have seen in Mary so far.

          OH, my point was that Michael went into the Cage but was willing to stay because he wanted to ‘divine’ His Father’s will. It was a prophesy and it was short-circuited. So then he decides to wait until Dean dies. (I was taught that the Cage which keeps Satan in Hell was made of Michael’s Grace, I don’t remember who told me that, I just remember that. So Michael could always get out, just walk thru his own grace.)

          1. I like your out of the box thinking.
            Imagine if Michael was emotionally crippled about losing his goalpost and being at a loss as to what to do. So he stayed in the cage as penance and a timeout.
            Then again there must be a reason that Rowena is still walking and talking and opening the cage is that reason.
            I think this time around Dean needs to say yes.
            One can view the opposites to the previous Apocalypse as clues that Dean will do the opposite. Cas chooses heaven. Lucifer is out of the cage but not free. They use the colt against the alpha and it works. Mary is their parent. Lucifer is uninterested in Sam. There is no United TFW. Everyone save Dean has been working independently towards their individual goals. Heaven is United and hell is fractured. Joshua is involved.

            The pieces are being set up on the Apocalypse board. We have Winchesters betraying Dean. A YED with a plan to help Lucifer. A powerful child that’s a game changer. Lucifer wanting freedom. Heaven United in defeating a powerful foe. TFW nominally working together. The green room painting and the colt have made an appearance and Micharl has been name dropped as well as his goal to kill Lucifer. However it is a very different
            game.

            How do we know the title Girls Drink FREE is a werewolf episode. Title sounds more like vamps and they know how to cure that. Killing Claire when she could have been cured would really anger Dean. She is a chip off of his block. She’s his daughter in spirit.

          2. Claire gets bitten by a werewolf. That’s how we know.

            Personally, I’d like to see Dean say yes to Michael as a timeshare, but it turns out Michael is really nuts and we get a case of the MoC times 10.

  5. I remember when Gen was pregnant with one of Jared’s kids and they had a residence in Seattle or something so they were closer together AND wanted US birth-citizenship for SURE. I agree that we have been suffering a Dearth of Dean

  6. I don’t think I agree with you re feeling Sam’s decision to join the BMOL was OOC. First, it provides an end game in his mind to hunting. Even if he has sort of accepted that he will never have a normal life, he has never liked hunting and if monsters etc were eradicated he might feel an end to hunting was in sight. Second, he has always sought “normal”, and the institutionalization of hunting the BMOL provides gives him both external validation and a sense of “normal.” And he has always wanted to cast himself in the position of “hero,” which eliminating monsters would. I think Sam is able to justify their scorched earth policy because he has always evaluated both right and wrong and strategy through the lens of what HE wants. IE if he wants it, then it must be right and sound. This is his most enduring personal quality, and explains both his egregiously poor judgment and shifting moral values. He has always lacked Dean’s ability to view a matter objectively.

    Now do I think joining the BMOL is a good idea? Absolutely not. I have no doubt Dean will have to fly in and rescue him and Mary. But when has Sam ever had good judgment.

    As for Mary, I don’t understand her joining the BMOL (and continuing with them after they endangered her sons), except I am starting to think she is more like Sam than I had previously thought.

    1. Hmmm mm. You are right about Sam’s poor decisions. The dude has a long history of that. However that vamp episode was such a cf and a lesson that the lol are not all that.

      Mary is out of sorts and at odds with this new world. The lol give her agency somehow. I get her decision more than Sam’s. But she should have bailed after Ramiel and definitely after the Raiders. Both were disasters because of the lol.

      She is a lot like Sam in terms of their shared flaws which makes sense because one presumes that the Campbell line hosts Lucifer.

  7. Rushed? Yeah. Poor Woo and Hank … all because Juliette is the biggest dumbass that ever was followed by Grimbo. Three cheers for Rosalie who is consistently the smartest tool in the shed.

    The big bad is pretty lame except for his big stick… speaking of which I still hate the child rape plot line.

    Sam’s kills feel pretty haphazard and the character is acting like a lame duck this season. Jared is,only good when the writing is there. And hey Dean killed Hitler!

    I think there have been too many Apocalypse references for Michael to not be a plot point and since Dean is being betrayed by everyone and everyone else is being dumb, he is primed to think he has to sacrifice himself to fix their messes…and hello Dean!Michael. If Lucifer gets out using the nephilim he will be more dangerous than ever. At least Michael will know how to fix his big stick which Dean reverently retrieved.

    I guess the Colt might kill Lucifer’s spawn but I am guessing that it will be a MacGuffin or Lucifer will already be inside. Maybe Lucifer will do us a favor and kill Mick and Letch and Sam. I want Mary, Dean, Case and Crowley as the new fab four.

    Anyhow my initial instincts have been right that the Lucifer storyline had legs, that it wasn’t done at mid-season and that they are deliberately pussy footing around with the Apocalypse storyline tropes. There have been too many at this point to ignore after the dreadful wounded angel episode. Even the nephilim is a Jesse redux, which suggests to me that Lucifer is still the one to worry about. They are heading to another Apocalypse and if Lucifer has his spawn as a meats it he doesn’t need Sam and he has already written Sam off anyhow. And if the nephilim is only good as a chain breaker, chances are Mary is a great alternative.

    Dean-Michael! Maybe even cray cray Dean-Michael. I never wanted Dean-Michael because I thought the never set up Dean saying yes in season 5. The one thing Dabb has done is made me think Dean would say yes because everyone else is an idiot, he feels abandoned and betrayed because they chose a life without him or TFB, and the stakes are even higher. Lucifer as an agent of petulant chaos is worse than ye olde Apocalypse… and this time around Cas chose heaven. In season 5 Cas did a lot to stabilize and focus Dean because he was loyal. Crowley is loyal to Dean but not necessarily to Dean’s endgoals.

    1. My point about Michael-in-Dean is that Dean truly never WOULD say yes. So Michael would just have to wait for Dean to die and get to the body before it was burned. Of course angels resurrected Adam and ‘he’ had been burned but I just like the idea of Michael immediately moving in and healing Dean (I anticipate him dying a violent death so it would not be that Dean was old and disease-ridden, just shot. I see him coming out still in his bloody clothes and maybe a little blue light for healing.)

      AND then there would be no way for the BMOL to use the magic egg thingie to kick Michael out (as they did with POTUS and Lucifer) because Dean’s shell would actually ‘be’ Michael’s home. I just want Michael to laugh at all the dopey BMOL.

      1. Of course there are situations in which Dean would say yes to Michael. He said yes to the MoC, didn’t he?

        As for Michael waiting for Dean to die, that’s not how angel possession works. Michael had to get Adam’s consent after Adam was resurrected, while Adam was in his own body. Otherwise, Michael would have gotten Dean’s body years ago. Dean has died many, many times, more times than have been counted. And the vessel can kick out an angel any time the vessel wants. It’s just that most vessels are unaware of this.

  8. I thought of another thing I miss about the loss of imdb.com: as it stands now I don’t know if there are any polls that I should vote in.

    LAST year people like me got SPN the ‘vote-for’ cover from Entertainment Weekly. But I would not even know where to look for polls. Is anybody posting this info on waywardsons.com?

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